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hey guys Ryan Sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies and I hope you

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enjoy this very fascinating interview we

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had with navy pilot Alex Dietrich

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however I do have to make a disclaimer

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for this interview and I don't have to

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do this often but my audio during this

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interview was really bad as they're

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gonna hear it's very clear that my

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microphone was not working at the time

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and Alex was a trooper she sounds great

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she's the one that truly matters in the

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interview so yeah I just wanted to let

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you know that and warn you ahead of time

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of how and why my audio was so bad we

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tried to clean it up it was impossible

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um but yeah it's gonna sound a little

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different than it does right now which

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Probably sounds much better so yeah just

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wanted to let you know that ahead of

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time but first and foremost I hope you

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enjoy the interview it was a true honor

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to speak with Alex and as always I just

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want to say keep your feet on the ground

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but never stop searching somewhere in

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I should let my audience know we're here

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with Alex Dietrich

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um the the Navy pilot was part of the

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famous Tic Tac UFO event guys

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um so first of all Alex I have to thank

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you for doing this I know we've been

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going back and forth for a while now you

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are so kind to um show off one of the

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t-shirts that we have in our store as

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well so that meant the world to me so I

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have to thank you for that as well but

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thank you for being here today thank you

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and I love the art uh you know it Ben is

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a talented artist and uh I thought it

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was a lot of fun uh the the T-shirt

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campaign and you know as I said before

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it's uh it's a fun conversation starter

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so I'm not wearing a t-shirt uh folks

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say oh that's cool what's that about can

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I say oh have you ever seen a UFO uh and

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it's fascinating to see people's

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responses you know I've actually had a

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lot of folks uh respond people I

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wouldn't expect uh so yeah I've seen

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something weird or I've had these these

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experiences and

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um and some people say no

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but that's such a good point like

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nowadays

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um it's not it's okay to say UFO it's

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okay for someone like me who's been

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studying this my whole life to like

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probably say I'm a UFO researcher it

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wasn't like that I could tell you that

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much like 10 years ago uh but now I can

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like scream it from the rooftops and

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people are like oh yeah like that's a

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real thing though isn't it and I'm kind

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of like it's been a real thing for a

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while now it's just now

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um people are beginning to acknowledge

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it and a lot of that has to do with uh

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you coming forward and many other

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military personnel Having the courage to

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do the same thing and uh and not only

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that but uh being accessible to whether

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it's the mainstream Media or you know in

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alternative sort of podcasts independent

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podcasts like myself so uh that means a

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lot I think to our community that you're

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willing to have these conversations and

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uh try to understand what these things

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are try to understand what it was that

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you saw and that many other people

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around the world are seeing as well so I

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have to thank you for that first and

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situation uh you know I think it's

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interesting that so many people say oh

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thank you for coming forward and thank

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you for uh I I have never

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um

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identified as a whistleblower or

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I you know in my narrative I didn't come

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forward I was just worn down

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by all of the uh inquiries and requests

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uh for interviews and and engagement

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you know a decade ago when there was a

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leak and

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um My name got out there associated with

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the the Nimitz encounter uh and I was

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active duty and I was also uh you know

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having kids and and Pregnant and not

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really feeling camera uh camera ready uh

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and you know just felt vulnerable in

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several ways and so uh declined

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interviews and it wasn't until 60

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Minutes approached me

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right at the Tipping Point in my career

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when I was retiring in that spring of

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2021 uh I was retired I was moving

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cross-country I was having all these

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other Transitions and I thought well

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you know maybe I can just do one and be

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done

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an interview and a major platform and uh

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it's it's reputable you know respect

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respective show and journalists and they

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do their due diligence and research and

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they have a team of lawyers that look at

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it to make sure everything's uh you know

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just right and that was certainly naive

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of me to think that

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you just do the following interview

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fi as a UFO person and I don't

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uh you know if you feel any ownership

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about the Nimitz encounter you know I

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was an eyewitness to uh what happened

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there that day but

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um I really after after that you know

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the few days of excitement uh that

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followed I forgot about it uh you know

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it wasn't on my mind I certainly wasn't

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uh trying to figure it out or anything

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um you know several years later when uh

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obstinable intelligence folks contacted

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me and they were doing their

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investigation and their follow-up so

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um you know every time I would get the

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call uh from the Pentagon or you know to

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go to Congress or

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you know eventually the the reporters

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and media that interest uh I was

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surprised

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you know they'd sort of start word

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blasting and talking uh as if I had been

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having this conversation all these years

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uh and I it would take me a minute to

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say wait what are you talking about oh

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oh yes okay yeah the UFO thing

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um and so of course in the last uh year

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and a half it's been

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uh more of a frenzy uh in the last two

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weeks it's been downright absurd

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right well that and that's really

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interesting I I'm happy you um you

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answered that because quite a few of our

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listeners wanted to know like does this

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weigh on your mind was this something

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like me I had nightmares about my UFO

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encounter for like years after but like

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a lot of people wanted to know did this

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become a big part of your life did you

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think about it a lot so that is really

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interesting to hear hear you say that

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yeah not at all yeah you know I

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certainly I I do have a series of

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recurring nightmares that have nothing

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um you know I I did deployments uh

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flying deployments in Iraq and

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Afghanistan close air support for the

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troops on the ground there uh and then I

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went back in 2010 as a provincial

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reconstruction team engineer uh for a

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year boots on ground uh you know

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you know a skipper was a Navy SEAL my

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senior listed was a seal uh the opso was

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a an army Hilo guy I mean it was a very

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different team than a carrier-based

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squadron uh where you you know come back

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to sort of the Comforts of the the

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aircraft carrier and the safety we were

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sleeping we were camping with guns uh

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you know in and among the the folks

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there and um it was a much more Dynamic

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experience I felt much more vulnerable

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was very glad to come back with all my

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bits and pieces

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and the subsequent Fallout right so

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trying to get our um

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our Afghan interpreters our linguists

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and cultural advisors evacuated you know

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they were at high risk

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after working with us so closely and we

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managed to get a few of them but they're

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still families and others that we care

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about who are stuck in the aftermath of

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are abrupt pull out of that summer of

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um which that that has been an ongoing

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um you know there are other things that

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weigh on my my mind uh I don't know if

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you can see in the background I'm

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sitting in the construction zone at a

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personal sob story

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um we had a whole house flood uh

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with that big bomb Cyclone storm that

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we turned up our thermostat and we

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lines and the ceiling froze and burst

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um and then I had breast cancer last

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year so it's good news story they caught

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it early but I had a full mastectomy

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which was a series of procedures and

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um you know a lot of appointments to

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take care of that so

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to answer your question you know the the

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you know the the

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event that happened in November of 2004

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Arc of my life it was just a small blip

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yeah yeah I I and well thank you for

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sharing all of that I I can't even

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the challenges you've gone through and

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the resilience it takes to make it

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through things like that so it does make

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goes on and you know absolutely I was a

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lieutenant Junior grade I wasn't a full

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happened and you know we were the

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exercise that we were doing off the

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coast of San Diego was in preparation of

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our deployment uh and so you know we we

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were flying these Maneuvers and and

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integrating with the ship the squadrons

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the Air Wing uh working with the

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aircraft carrier to make sure that

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everything is running smoothly

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and then we deployed we went out on a

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Westpac deployment so uh headed out and

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we had all these Port calls and these

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exotic places

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that I had never been to before and that

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was great Hong Kong Kuala Lumpur Dubai

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Bahrain Chennai India Australia Guam uh

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Hawaii not you know exotic in its own

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way but still U.S

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but so you know

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then 2005 was was uh you know already

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very uh busy and and

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rich with experiences and things that

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had a bigger impression in my mind in

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terms of

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you know what what are we doing here

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what what's the purpose uh admission uh

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that were that we're focused on in this

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post 9 11 uh Navy you know to deter

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aggression and when deterrence fails to

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fight and win our nation's Wars uh and

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then how do I contribute to that how do

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I uh contribute in a meaningful way

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and uh and then exposure to this this

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world uh and all these cultures uh and

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languages and people

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that uh you know I I read about and uh

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heard about but had never really been

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immersed in before so uh yeah ever since

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then you know I've had

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like I said multiple deployments I've

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uh went to grad school uh had three

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children

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you know lots of lots of life in in

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yeah not sit around thinking about the

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Tic Tac and dreams

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that is fair enough life goes on I love

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that

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um it's and we're all about kind of the

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human

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uh nature to a lot of this and for many

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people like you said either it changes

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their life and it becomes a huge part or

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some people are just like that was that

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that is a thing that happened

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um moving on so I totally I totally

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understand that um well I gotta ask you

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you mentioned you know what's currently

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going on in the past few weeks

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um I love to get your perspective on

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that as a as a pilot and um seeing

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what's going on in the United States

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right now I know this had a lot to do

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with the article that you wrote at the

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debrief as well

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um it seemed like perfect timing for an

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article like yours to come out

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um right now in the U.S where we're

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shooting things down for the first time

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in U.S history

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um in terms of what NORAD has done and

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whatnot and uh and all that so um yeah I

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guess that's kind of my convoluted way

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of asking what do you make of everything

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going on right now with these Pilots

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shooting these things down we're not

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able to recover this wreckage of these

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these objects what is your kind of I

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guess overall perspective of what's

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that's a big question it is

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I hope that I addressed it in the the

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op-ed that I wrote and the debrief so

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kindly published uh which is that

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uh you know we need to be systematic and

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methodical and approaching

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and we we shouldn't be lumping all of

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these objects together uh we should say

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this is an object uh or or an

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interesting uh radar hit uh let's

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collect as much information as we can

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and deal with it

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uh

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in context okay next object at next

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object next object so I wouldn't

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um and I and it would be irresponsible

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to suggest that they're all of the same

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origin or that they are all of the same

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technology

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um

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but

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if we if we zoom out uh and widen the

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aperture then we can say okay we we need

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to have

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a systematic method of reporting we need

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to have a way for someone in Montana

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who's outlining their business and

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notices something that they can't

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categorize they can't classify we need

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to have a way for them to

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snap a photo or just

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record their observation and give them

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some of again a template or structure uh

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to say you know what was the color what

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was the shape what was the time of day

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what what were the weather and

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conditions did you have somebody with

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you is there another witness who can

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corroborate this or maybe has a

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different angle a different perspective

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um

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and then what do you do with that so

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where do we hold that information uh and

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and until we have a system where we can

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collect

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and then

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analyze

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uh you know I don't think that we're

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going to be able to to make sense of any

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of it

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ideally we would have you know a 1-800

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number an app a website where everybody

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can report these objects and that that

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system in much the same way that uh chat

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GPT and these other AI natural language

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processing machine learning systems do

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they can filter out the the pranks or

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the chaff uh the stuff that that isn't

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relevant in order to

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say hey there's something here there's

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something there there and and even get

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to the point where we can predict or we

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might say based off of all of these

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other hits that we're getting

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um we might expect to see something over

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here and so let's get our sensors ready

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let's get folks out there with their

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binoculars and they're not just their

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iPhone uh or or smartphone cameras but

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some really high resolution uh

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big lens you know what that's one of the

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complaints I always get is why don't we

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have better

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images or video of this stuff and I said

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well

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if you're driving down the highway

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60 miles an hour and you look over and

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you see Bigfoot

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you know it takes you a minute to get

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your phone out and your battery's dead

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and you have to make your turn and you

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go back you know and then you end up

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with this blurry picture no picture at

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all but you're pretty sure you saw

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Sasquatch on the side of the road so you

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know people don't you never expect us to

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encounter UFO

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right uh it happens when you least

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expect it and um so if we could collect

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the information in a way where we might

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have some predictive modeling uh where

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we could get sensors and and folks out

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and ready

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um then maybe we might have uh the

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images that we're looking for and

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there's other you know besides uh visual

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eyewitness testimony and and photos and

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video you know we have radar uh sensors

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we have FLIR we have other means to

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collect information uh on these

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unidentified events

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um

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but again it's all about the

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The Collection it's all about the the

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Gathering of information

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right right and I think that's kind of

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the uh reactionary

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uh what would you even call it uh

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announcements by the president that we

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saw recently too uh that they're going

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to establish an interagency to kind of

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look at these things from both a sort of

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policy making uh approach and also data

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collecting like you mentioned they

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established an office within the

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Department of Defense to do just that so

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it could again come at a better time

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than for an organization like Arrow this

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new group established um to be like hey

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we're established before the

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the last one right yeah so the the arrow

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uh

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DOD and then there was you know the

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president announced that there's going

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to be this interagency tax task force

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but there were already efforts in the

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fall

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um I was fortunate to attend the first

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meeting of the NASA independent study so

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it was hosted by NASA uh okay sort of

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um provided the conference room and then

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all the folks that that were invited and

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showed up represented DOD and the FAA

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and these academics not just from NASA

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but from

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um institutions across the uh not only

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the country but across the globe as well

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as Private Industry so they had folks

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there to talk about

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um you know these are the satellite

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capabilities that we have and

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um this is the way that we can analyze

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the Big Data there was a brief from a

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gentleman from

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um I think it was fermilab or CERN you

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know the the large particle colliders

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yeah yeah and hey this is how we found

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the Higgs boson particle the God

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particle uh you know we we were smashing

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uh atoms and and doing the

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um

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the physics uh but it ended up with this

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Avalanche of data uh and so here's how

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we found the needle in the haystack

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here's how we uh took that information

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and you know made it not just manageable

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but relevant uh to the question that we

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were asking and so I was really

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heartened to see and it was a two-day

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conference uh full days and

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um you know the the head of NASA Senator

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Nelson

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um came in in the evening and sort of

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gave us a pep talk about uh you know the

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commitment and

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the relevance of the topic

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and

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I was I was really glad to see all of

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these um

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you know

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high-ranking respected individuals from

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their uh

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respective institutions coming together

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and asking the philosophical questions

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of

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um

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why why do we care why is this important

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uh

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you know

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sort of moving beyond the question of

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are you APS a thing Are UFOs a thing and

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that's part of why I was there is to say

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hey we saw something weird

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I couldn't explain it and it's been

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almost 20 years and we still can't

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explain it so

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if anything we should be able to uh

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identify something that's

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operating in close proximity to a

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military exercise and close proximity to

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our our borders especially in a post 9

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11 era

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so we we moved beyond that question of

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are uaps real they are real because

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we're seeing things that we can't

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identify and by definition that's

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unidentified uh and then like what do we

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do about it right so

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and and that's a loaded question because

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then you get into the

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uh you know well who's responsible who

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has jurisdiction is it you know is it

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the dod is it a national security issue

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or is it the FAA because it's the safety

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of flight issue and then all the

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scientists say well we want science with

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the capital

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that we

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have access all of the data

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and

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so you know all the industry folks were

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there saying hey we've got all these

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tools you're welcome to apply them to

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this question and

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somebody's got to pay that bill so if

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we're going to

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reserve time you know in that satellite

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or on that super computer for crunching

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the data once it's downloaded uh you

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know we gotta we gotta fund it yeah and

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and then ultimately you know folks

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especially I think a lot of your viewers

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are going to say well who has access

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uh so if we're using the satellites and

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then we're

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uh you know funding the the Manpower

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Arrow or the FAA UAP office then

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um

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you know we want to be able to access

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that information and have transparency

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and uh

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and so there were a lot of questions

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there asked and in that first session

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there were very few

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if any answers

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welcome to the UFOs yeah we have several

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other meetings uh planned and I expect

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that they will

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actually given the recent activity and

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interest

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um

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I expect they'll make progress

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awesome yeah and I think what your

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article pointed out too is

560
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:27,720
um these efforts for cohesion whether

561
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:32,520
it's military UFO encounters uh whether

562
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,220
it's something NASA has been tracking or

563
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:37,860
doing or the public like you mentioned

564
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,539
commercial pilots are seeing these

565
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:41,760
things and now we're the work of people

566
00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:44,640
like Ryan Graves and whatnot they they

567
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,919
will soon have somewhere to report these

568
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:49,679
things and talk about them and then like

569
00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:51,240
you mentioned in your article too you

570
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:53,580
have something like Enigma Labs that's

571
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:56,940
showing up where anyone can then submit

572
00:26:02,269 --> 00:26:00,480
their UFO sighting or or report and like

573
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,279
you said kind of bringing all of this

574
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:05,039
together so that the data sets work

575
00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:06,840
together like why have just military

576
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,679
encounters why just have NASA anomalous

577
00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:13,440
things happening why have you know Joe

578
00:26:18,769 --> 00:26:16,860
Smith in Cincinnati in his UFO encounter

579
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:18,779
too like all of the data should be put

580
00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:21,179
together for these scientists in my

581
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:25,020
opinion so it was really invigorating to

582
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:27,179
see you kind of point out like these are

583
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:28,740
the different groups looking at this

584
00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:31,500
topic in different ways but how can we

585
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:33,419
bring all that data together to find a

586
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:35,580
better understanding instead of the

587
00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:38,220
stove piping that we often see with a

588
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,679
lot of this stuff so yeah Kudos on that

589
00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:42,960
as well thanks yeah there's there are a

590
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:45,179
lot of stakeholders for sure uh and I'm

591
00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:47,100
glad you mentioned in the labs so this

592
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:50,520
is a new uh really a tech startup uh

593
00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:52,860
there you know folks software Engineers

594
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,799
out of Silicon Valley and some sort of

595
00:27:02,210 --> 00:26:58,080
business folks out of New York City with

596
00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:02,220
no history in the UFO space and it's

597
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:05,820
refreshing because like me they have

598
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:08,340
this sort of neutral

599
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,000
um just objective approach to

600
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:15,840
what is often a an emotionally charged

601
00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:17,460
or uh

602
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:21,059
you know otherwise uh sort of

603
00:27:26,029 --> 00:27:23,100
you know people get real hyped about the

604
00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:26,039
conversation but they said hey uh let's

605
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,240
make an app

606
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:29,700
Let's uh you know just like the tech

607
00:27:34,990 --> 00:27:33,600
companies in Silicon Valley very 2023

608
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:35,000
yeah

609
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:38,460
okay here's a here's a niche in the

610
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,700
market uh let's jump on it and so they

611
00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:43,380
started up

612
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,620
um I think you know early last year and

613
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,760
um then they reached out to me in the

614
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:49,679
fall and they said you know we like

615
00:27:55,130 --> 00:27:51,720
uh we like your style you know that you

616
00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:55,140
have this very uh sort of rational

617
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,400
um

618
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:58,080
you know let's let's gather the

619
00:28:01,730 --> 00:27:59,340
information and see if we can make sense

620
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:01,740
of it approach uh without jumping to

621
00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:05,039
conclusions without uh sort of imposing

622
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:07,500
a narrative on it and uh this asked me

623
00:28:12,289 --> 00:28:10,980
to be their first advisor uh so it's an

624
00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:12,299
unpaid role

625
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:14,340
I know folks are interested in that they

626
00:28:21,649 --> 00:28:17,340
say oh you know what's the who's getting

627
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:21,659
paid yeah I get it I get it iron and and

628
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:23,940
as far as I know they don't have any

629
00:28:27,409 --> 00:28:25,860
contracts with any government agencies

630
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:27,419
yet

631
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,980
um you know but I wouldn't blame if if

632
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:30,480
they were

633
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,700
um you know pursuing that especially

634
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:34,559
after the last two weeks because there's

635
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:38,159
a there's a need here there's a need for

636
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:41,220
um a a sort of

637
00:28:46,330 --> 00:28:42,240
um

638
00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:46,340
easy to use you know an interface for

639
00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:49,080
folks like you or me or

640
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,340
um you know the guy down the street to

641
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:55,200
report and so

642
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:56,940
um I I realized that there are some

643
00:29:01,970 --> 00:28:59,159
other groups that are

644
00:29:03,230 --> 00:29:01,980
uh you mentioned mufon and I think

645
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,240
there's a few others that are

646
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:04,559
established

647
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,020
unfortunately you know they have a

648
00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:09,120
uh

649
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:10,380
um

650
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,740
how do I put this diplomatically

651
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:15,480
uh you know they have they have a

652
00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:17,880
reputation and they have

653
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:18,539
um

654
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:21,659
an agenda associated with them that that

655
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:24,360
doesn't have that very sort of crisp

656
00:29:27,230 --> 00:29:26,520
clean neutral

657
00:29:30,889 --> 00:29:27,240
um

658
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:30,899
Center uh

659
00:29:36,049 --> 00:29:32,940
approach and they don't have the

660
00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:36,059
technology so again what Enigma Labs

661
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:39,020
brings is this very modern

662
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:43,740
ized approach and saying hey we can we

663
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:46,620
can do this at scale and we can bring in

664
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:49,740
the AI artificial intelligence the ml

665
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:51,779
the machine learning the NLP the natural

666
00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:54,360
language processing and that big data

667
00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:59,159
analytics to to handle the types the

668
00:30:02,210 --> 00:30:01,320
scale of reporting that that they hope

669
00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:02,220
to

670
00:30:06,590 --> 00:30:03,960
ingest

671
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:06,600
through their app so

672
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,140
um yeah I wish some success and uh

673
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,480
and I hope that some of these other

674
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:15,120
folks in in the space will step up right

675
00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:17,640
because that's what's great about uh our

676
00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:20,039
our model in America is that the

677
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:22,580
competition will drive

678
00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:25,140
excellence in

679
00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:27,779
um in the technology and in the Services

680
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,100
provided so yeah I hope that we see

681
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:35,279
some other apps that can hopefully

682
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:37,799
Drive the

683
00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:41,100
answer Advance this Advanced

684
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:43,799
conversation and Advance our abilities

685
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:45,240
in this area

686
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,720
right right there's a a motivation to

687
00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:51,120
continue learning and I think that's

688
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:52,740
like you mentioned it is very American

689
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,840
but at the same time like there's a

690
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:57,360
reason anywhere in the world you see a

691
00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:00,120
Starbucks next to a Dunkin Donuts like

692
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:02,760
there needs to be competition so I get

693
00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:05,640
it I get it um that's awesome Alex well

694
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:07,799
I'm really excited um I'm really happy

695
00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:11,580
to have uh seen the positive nature of

696
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:13,320
the article that you released because I

697
00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:15,299
think a lot of people in the past few

698
00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:18,659
weeks primarily in the UFO Community if

699
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:21,000
you want to call it that uh have felt

700
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,659
very deflated because they think now

701
00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:27,120
everything's gonna be a Chinese

702
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:28,679
surveillance balloon or everything's

703
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:31,740
gonna be a drone but in reality like

704
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,260
that's what we're trying to do is

705
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:36,720
explain these unidentified no matter

706
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:40,080
what they are prosaic or or otherwise

707
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:42,659
um so I think you know more than really

708
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:45,059
being about the UFOs themselves what are

709
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,440
these things

710
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:48,960
um your your article shows that there's

711
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:51,960
many different ways that we can go about

712
00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:55,020
answering those questions and the answer

713
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,059
might not be extraterrestrial the answer

714
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,580
might not be time travelers from the

715
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,440
future the answer might not be Russian

716
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:03,840
or Chinese surveillance technology it

717
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:06,120
could be something that we haven't even

718
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,279
scratched the surface of but

719
00:32:13,549 --> 00:32:10,559
um we're taking those those baby steps

720
00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:13,559
so um yeah yeah that's kind of my my

721
00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:16,020
final I promise my final endorsement of

722
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:21,830
Um well hey those were my questions for

723
00:32:27,769 --> 00:32:24,480
you I have so many listener questions

724
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:27,779
for you I doubt we'll even get to all of

725
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:30,720
them um but would you be okay stick it

726
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:39,769
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727
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somewhere Skies

738
00:33:18,009 --> 00:33:13,500
[Music]

739
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:20,810
or as deep as you want or if you don't

740
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,100
want to answer it you let me know

741
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:25,679
um let's see here I'm gonna start with

742
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:28,980
uh this is a cool one Dreamland XR on

743
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,159
Twitter asks Alex what or who inspired

744
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:34,799
you to join the Navy and who are some of

745
00:33:38,590 --> 00:33:37,080
the influential people in your life

746
00:33:42,049 --> 00:33:38,600
oh man

747
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,059
uh do we have do we have another hour I

748
00:33:45,070 --> 00:33:43,679
know probably probably the worst

749
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:45,080
question I could have started with right

750
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:49,559
yes uh so I

751
00:34:02,630 --> 00:33:56,700
I'm 43 this year uh and I came of age uh

752
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:02,640
in a in a pre-911 era a pre-9 11 world

753
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:05,159
and I I went to a boarding school for

754
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,099
High School uh Math and Science focused

755
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:11,280
uh Academy and

756
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,740
everybody was expecting to go to college

757
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:15,839
and everybody was expected to be you

758
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:18,780
know an engineer or a doctor or have

759
00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:21,540
that sort of math and science stem

760
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:23,460
um

761
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:28,260
you know propelled into that world and

762
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:30,419
I

763
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,440
you know sort of

764
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:39,540
I didn't have that Clear Vision or

765
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:42,720
anybody really pressuring me to go in a

766
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:45,659
particular direction and so

767
00:34:49,849 --> 00:34:47,159
um

768
00:34:52,490 --> 00:34:49,859
Mr Hernandez uh

769
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:52,500
our our College and Career guidance

770
00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:55,379
counselor he said Al you gotta check you

771
00:35:00,109 --> 00:34:56,820
got to choose something you gotta you

772
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:00,119
can't be an Undeclared uh major you know

773
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:02,700
you've got a school you've got to pick a

774
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:08,990
and we went you know round and round and

775
00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:11,339
I said you know I don't know and

776
00:35:18,829 --> 00:35:17,089
picture yourself when you're 40.

777
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:18,839
and look back and what do you want to

778
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:27,410
and I said okay I'll play uh and he said

779
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:29,640
you know where do you want to be and

780
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,740
what do you want to have done and I said

781
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,900
well all the 40 year olds I know are

782
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,240
divorced and you know on their second

783
00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:38,640
career and get going through a midlife

784
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:40,760
crisis and he said whoa whoa

785
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:44,280
that's not what I meant uh

786
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:46,260
but I said no this is good this is good

787
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:49,500
uh you know I appreciate this uh you

788
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:51,420
know what you're right I'm going to go

789
00:35:56,569 --> 00:35:53,460
and have my adventure get my midlife

790
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:56,579
crisis out up front while I'm young and

791
00:36:00,829 --> 00:36:00,000
and single and healthy and all that and

792
00:36:01,490 --> 00:36:00,839
so

793
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:01,500
um

794
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:04,980
that's why I uh said you know I want to

795
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:07,320
go be a fighter pilot in the Navy travel

796
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,500
the world and have a big adventure

797
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:13,440
um do something cool you know flying

798
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,480
jets and

799
00:36:20,089 --> 00:36:17,359
um

800
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:20,099
I graduated from college and and

801
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:24,240
commissioned in May of 2001 went to

802
00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:25,980
ground school that summer

803
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:28,380
uh and then I had my first flight on 9

804
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:34,910
that whole you know it's all about me

805
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:37,380
and my selfish adventure and doing

806
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:39,960
something cool you know that

807
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,240
in an instant I realized

808
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:44,700
um it's not about me and that I'm a part

809
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:46,859
of something bigger than myself and

810
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:48,420
and I need to figure out how to

811
00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:50,760
contribute in a meaningful way

812
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:52,680
so um

813
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:54,660
yeah there was a paradigm shift you know

814
00:37:00,349 --> 00:36:58,079
for the world definitely when

815
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,359
the plane said

816
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:02,640
um but for me you know as an individual

817
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:09,770
at that moment so

818
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:10,980
um

819
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:12,780
I've had I've had countless you know

820
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:15,780
mentors and coaches and

821
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:17,820
my grandmothers were very influential

822
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:20,099
and ah

823
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:23,760
you know my early years and

824
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:26,220
yeah I again we could do a whole nother

825
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:28,020
show

826
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:33,180
but no that's that's cool Mr Hernandez

827
00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:35,880
fair enough fair enough I love that I

828
00:37:41,329 --> 00:37:38,280
love that thank you for sharing that um

829
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:41,339
Shane on patreon uh our patreon members

830
00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:43,140
get priority to ask our guest questions

831
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:44,820
as well

832
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:47,940
um he asks while viewing the Tic Tac did

833
00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:49,500
you come away with the impression that

834
00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:01,370
that's a good question uh and I can't

835
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:02,420
say

836
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:06,119
yeah that's fair it's we don't know what

837
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:13,370
yeah I I would it would be irresponsible

838
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:16,740
of me to

839
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:19,020
to suggest either way

840
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:21,960
that's fair yeah and I do apologize in

841
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:23,160
advance you're probably going to get a

842
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:25,800
lot of Tic-Tac questions I'm sure you've

843
00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:29,460
kind of uh expected that here on a UFO

844
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:31,980
podcast but um no that that makes

845
00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:34,800
perfect sense um let's see Lyle on

846
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:36,300
YouTube asks

847
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:39,240
was the calf point to which the UAP flew

848
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:41,880
a point uh was it a point that had been

849
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:44,040
used previously during these exercises

850
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:46,200
which would suggest the object had been

851
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:48,780
monitoring operations or was it a novel

852
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,240
previously unused cat point which would

853
00:39:00,589 --> 00:38:53,040
suggest something much more disturbing

854
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:02,450
point

855
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:05,700
in the story and this is another thing

856
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,440
where I'm not going to lead anybody down

857
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,960
a path of this way or that in the

858
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,000
thinking

859
00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:16,800
and I don't know but I'm wondering

860
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:19,800
whether the radar operator the

861
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:21,420
controller the air traffic controller

862
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,460
who was giving us vectors and and

863
00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:25,200
talking us through what they were seeing

864
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:28,440
in order for us to merge with

865
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,560
the the Tic Tac originally

866
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:32,640
um

867
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,180
and have our our engagement

868
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:39,359
um and then when we lost Visual and uh

869
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:41,339
and said you know

870
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:43,380
what's the picture or what are you

871
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:46,140
seeing on your radar

872
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:48,180
I haven't confirmed this with the radar

873
00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:50,099
operator but I'm wondering whether they

874
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:52,820
used the cat Point as a reference

875
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:56,760
because we knew what it was

876
00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:58,920
I don't know whether it was you know

877
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:01,260
exactly at the cat point or whether it

878
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:04,140
was near it and they just use that as an

879
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:12,250
um so yeah the cat Point gets a lot of

880
00:40:16,609 --> 00:40:14,520
there's a lot of time and energy spent

881
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:16,619
on that on that and it's something that

882
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:20,160
I can't I can't speak to Okay yeah fair

883
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:23,640
enough uh Irish scientist I love this

884
00:40:28,490 --> 00:40:26,520
name on Twitter asks Pilots often report

885
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:28,500
that the debunkers are coming to

886
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,839
conclusions based on an incomplete

887
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:33,359
understanding of Aviation and the

888
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:36,119
military in general what are some of

889
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:38,820
their biggest misunderstandings in this

890
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:45,470
biggest misunderstandings

891
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:48,829
um I'm not sure I would I'm not sure can

892
00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:50,760
you does he provide any examples of

893
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:54,300
let's see I think what they're sort of

894
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:56,940
um let's see

895
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,160
I'll edit this obviously

896
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,160
um so the the

897
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:04,079
problem there is assuming that I'm

898
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:10,010
company yeah that's a good point yeah

899
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,820
um this is one of those where you know

900
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:14,640
there's there's a lot of

901
00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:18,420
uh chatter on the net we would say yeah

902
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:21,480
so and I just I don't

903
00:41:29,569 --> 00:41:23,640
I don't get drawn into those you know

904
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:32,210
yeah I'm not really sure what the

905
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:33,660
debunkers are

906
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,140
are suggesting or or where they're

907
00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:39,200
uh

908
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:41,460
misunderstanding or lack of

909
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:44,460
understanding of the technology lies

910
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,640
it's hard I mean it's hard to

911
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:49,440
um

912
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:52,619
it's hard to relay in a in a tweet or in

913
00:41:58,490 --> 00:41:55,920
a short uh post or even a quick

914
00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:58,500
conversation on a podcast

915
00:42:04,190 --> 00:41:59,160
um

916
00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:04,200
all of the technical and tactical uh

917
00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:06,119
knowledge that you

918
00:42:11,810 --> 00:42:09,780
that you learn in in Flight School uh

919
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:11,820
over the course of years right you have

920
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:13,800
primary you have Ground School Aviation

921
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,920
pre-flight indoctrination uh and then

922
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:18,560
you have primary Flight Training

923
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:20,820
intermediate Flight Training Advanced

924
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:22,500
Flight Training your Fleet reply

925
00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:25,020
replacement Squadron and then you're in

926
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:26,460
your

927
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:27,359
um

928
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,119
in your your Fleet Squadron going on

929
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:31,680
these missions and deployments in the

930
00:42:36,829 --> 00:42:34,380
real world so I mean it's years that

931
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:36,839
you're you're spending uh at the

932
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:40,380
controls getting those site pictures uh

933
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:42,060
understanding again those tactics and

934
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:44,700
Maneuvers uh so

935
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:50,150
I don't know what what exactly the

936
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:53,460
debunkers are claiming or suggesting but

937
00:42:58,730 --> 00:42:56,220
it would be hard for them

938
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,740
um it would be hard for me to to counter

939
00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:01,200
any points if they were worthy of the

940
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,700
encountered um because it's

941
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:07,079
you know we have tacit knowledge and

942
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:08,940
explicit knowledge explicit is that

943
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,220
which can be uh you know sort of written

944
00:43:15,849 --> 00:43:14,240
down in a handbook or a checklist

945
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:15,859
explained

946
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,540
tacit is all of that

947
00:43:21,290 --> 00:43:19,680
um

948
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:21,300
that other knowledge that you get

949
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:27,710
it's very hard to relay

950
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:30,660
yeah well and I think this this question

951
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,180
is a prime example of

952
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:36,000
um you know the lack of data that um

953
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,300
either end of a debate might have you

954
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:41,520
know I I know a lot of people are very

955
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:46,079
uh vocal about their not skepticism but

956
00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:48,359
they're uh they're questions they have

957
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:50,099
of the whole Tic Tac event someone like

958
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,579
Mick West for instance a a skeptic that

959
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:55,740
a lot of people turn to

960
00:44:02,450 --> 00:43:59,700
um or hate and uh he is the first to

961
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:02,460
admit that you know until we have

962
00:44:07,069 --> 00:44:04,500
sufficient data

963
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:07,079
um with this event you know in the

964
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,480
public for scientists and and analysts

965
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,000
to look at um it's not we're not going

966
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,280
to get any answers so I I think again

967
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:16,319
this is just a prime example of no

968
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:17,640
matter which

969
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:20,040
died of the debate you're on it's the

970
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:23,220
lack of data that really keeps it going

971
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:26,240
keeps that uh that not knowing going

972
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:29,520
that makes sense I have no interest in

973
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:32,760
convincing Mick West or any debunkers uh

974
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:35,400
about you know what we saw that day in

975
00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:39,480
November of 2004 uh I in the moment had

976
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,020
a real sense of urgency and wanted to

977
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:45,839
convince and communicate to the people

978
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:48,839
back on the ship the other air crew in

979
00:44:54,349 --> 00:44:51,839
my Squadron the intelligence team again

980
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:54,359
on the ship on the aircraft carrier and

981
00:45:01,309 --> 00:44:59,220
the chain of command which for me uh my

982
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:01,319
commanding officer of my Squadron was

983
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,020
the other pilot in in the encounter so

984
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,480
commander David fraver was

985
00:45:11,150 --> 00:45:08,400
um you know my immediate chain of

986
00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:11,160
command uh and so that was you know

987
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,740
check that's done

988
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:14,400
um

989
00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:17,400
but after that you know that day that

990
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:20,760
moment where we felt this vulnerability

991
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:22,740
where we felt you know if this is an

992
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:24,180
adversary

993
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:25,800
um they're they're here they're they're

994
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:28,920
they're messing with our military

995
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,040
training exercise and they're right here

996
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,560
off the coast of San Diego with all of

997
00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:37,200
these these civilians

998
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:38,579
um in a

999
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:40,920
you know we this was 2004 it wasn't that

1000
00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:43,920
long after the events of 9 11. so we

1001
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:46,859
certainly had that sort of spidey sense

1002
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:49,980
of uh if there's something here

1003
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:52,140
in our skies and we don't know what it

1004
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:52,980
is

1005
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:55,140
as military were conditioned to think

1006
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:58,260
Friend or Foe so

1007
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:02,880
uh foe is our is our assumption or

1008
00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:05,760
conclusion when we can identify it

1009
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:09,000
um but after that that day and that

1010
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:12,780
period you know I I have no interest in

1011
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:14,819
convincing anybody about what I saw that

1012
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:16,380
day

1013
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:20,040
what I do have interest in is is giving

1014
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:23,160
other folks uh

1015
00:46:29,329 --> 00:46:26,220
you know to normalize the topic to

1016
00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:29,339
reduce the stigma and to give folks and

1017
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:32,040
encourage uh you know those government

1018
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:34,020
agencies and

1019
00:46:39,770 --> 00:46:35,520
um

1020
00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:39,780
the folks who have uh the means to

1021
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:42,780
establish that systematic reporting

1022
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,160
uh whether it's a app or a Channel or

1023
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:50,160
website you know having a way

1024
00:46:59,690 --> 00:46:56,809
to report what they see and to make

1025
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,700
sense of that so I don't really care

1026
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,800
whether we figure out what we saw in

1027
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:04,560
November of 2004 and I certainly don't

1028
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:07,740
care if Mick West knows what we saw in

1029
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:11,099
November 2004 it doesn't matter uh you

1030
00:47:16,609 --> 00:47:14,819
know it's 20 23 now what matters is

1031
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:16,619
whether

1032
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,140
you know somebody sees something weird

1033
00:47:24,770 --> 00:47:21,359
do they know how to report it can we

1034
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,780
respond can we react uh with the

1035
00:47:30,589 --> 00:47:27,359
appropriate level of

1036
00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:30,599
whether it's sensors or kinetic response

1037
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:32,040
right we've shut down a few things

1038
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,780
recently that

1039
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,760
you know I have full Full Faith and

1040
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:37,280
confidence that

1041
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:40,800
those Crews that were deployed you know

1042
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:42,060
that they weren't shooting at random

1043
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:43,140
targets

1044
00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:45,420
that there was a

1045
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:48,420
positive identification made and that

1046
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:49,200
they

1047
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,200
took the appropriate action so my

1048
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:53,760
concern is that

1049
00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:57,060
whether it's air crew or operators on

1050
00:48:02,210 --> 00:48:00,420
the ground or civilians that if you see

1051
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:02,220
something you're able to say something

1052
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:05,339
and that we have a systematic way to

1053
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,280
report and make sense of those some

1054
00:48:14,569 --> 00:48:11,040
things yeah in the future

1055
00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:14,579
oh this is an interesting one uh Asm on

1056
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,060
Twitter asks has Alex heard of an event

1057
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:21,119
that's similar to hers that isn't

1058
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:23,700
publicly known yet have any other Pilots

1059
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,740
come to you and been like yeah we've

1060
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:28,200
encountered these things as well or how

1061
00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:31,440
does that work has there been a response

1062
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:33,060
since you've come forward from other

1063
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:37,849
well

1064
00:48:42,109 --> 00:48:39,720
again you know I don't consider myself

1065
00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:42,119
to have come forward or to be

1066
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:44,760
um sort of trying trying to

1067
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:47,480
um evangelize on the topic

1068
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:49,319
uh

1069
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:50,940
but

1070
00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:54,300
what's been interesting is since the 60

1071
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:56,579
Minutes piece aired in the spring of

1072
00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:58,500
2021

1073
00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:00,900
I have been contacted by a lot of folks

1074
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:02,819
who said

1075
00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:06,119
you know I'm I don't I'm not crazy you

1076
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:08,280
don't seem crazy and I don't think I'm

1077
00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:10,200
crazy uh

1078
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,380
but I had this experience and

1079
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:15,359
I didn't know where to go with it I

1080
00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:16,920
didn't know who to share it with or how

1081
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:19,020
to report it or I was afraid of the

1082
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,460
stigma

1083
00:49:25,069 --> 00:49:22,079
um you know whether it's you know I have

1084
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,079
this serious job and I'd be afraid of

1085
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,319
what people would think or losing my job

1086
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:29,760
or

1087
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:32,280
um you know I'm part of the religious

1088
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,160
organization and

1089
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:37,920
this is antithetical to to that Faith

1090
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:40,319
system and I wouldn't want anybody in my

1091
00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:42,599
community or my neighbors to know that

1092
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:44,819
I'm a UFO

1093
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:53,210
that sort of taboo stigma associated

1094
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:56,880
with it so I I have received a lot of

1095
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:03,770
where they just they want to share their

1096
00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:05,880
story they kind of say you know I've

1097
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:08,339
been carrying this around uh I didn't

1098
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,380
know where to put it and now you know

1099
00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:12,480
you seem like someone that could hold

1100
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:15,180
this with me or if I tell it to you that

1101
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,440
it's off you know

1102
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:18,660
I said some I saw something and I said

1103
00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:20,760
something and now it's right here moving

1104
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:22,440
on yeah

1105
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:26,520
um and back in 2021 I said

1106
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:29,760
um to the folks at the um

1107
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:32,579
I guess it was atip at the time but now

1108
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,920
it's again sort of transitioning into

1109
00:50:38,030 --> 00:50:36,720
this Arrow

1110
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:38,040
um

1111
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:41,640
uh more comprehensive office but you

1112
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:43,140
know the points of contact at the

1113
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:45,540
Pentagon that I have I said hey what are

1114
00:50:50,270 --> 00:50:49,260
you I'm getting all these reports uh you

1115
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,280
know some of them are really old but

1116
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,619
some of them are relatively recent what

1117
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:54,000
do you want me to do with them like

1118
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:55,260
where do you want me to put them is

1119
00:51:01,849 --> 00:51:00,770
Google sheet or something yeah that you

1120
00:51:04,190 --> 00:51:01,859
want me to end

1121
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:04,200
just hang on to them for now

1122
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:07,920
um and so yeah again that's why I'm

1123
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:08,940
um

1124
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:11,640
when Enigma Labs said hey we're building

1125
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:15,300
this app and this um

1126
00:51:23,089 --> 00:51:19,559
this mechanism to collect and analyze

1127
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:23,099
reports I said oh great I've got I've

1128
00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:27,180
got a Stacks uh waiting to put them in

1129
00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:29,220
you know they showed me their prototype

1130
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:30,359
and

1131
00:51:35,569 --> 00:51:33,000
um I was able to give them feedback not

1132
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,579
just on my own encounter but on some of

1133
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,440
these others that are that I've heard

1134
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:39,599
and I said okay you know this

1135
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:41,460
you know the app again it's very user

1136
00:51:46,609 --> 00:51:43,800
friendly the interface makes sense as as

1137
00:51:47,809 --> 00:51:46,619
any good apps do uh they're intuitive

1138
00:51:49,849 --> 00:51:47,819
and

1139
00:51:52,250 --> 00:51:49,859
um but I said oh hey you know you asked

1140
00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:52,260
about this but there's no place to put

1141
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,380
you know this other technical detail or

1142
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,119
um you know you have all these technical

1143
00:52:01,690 --> 00:52:00,240
details about the object but you haven't

1144
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:01,700
asked whether

1145
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,980
there's any physiological

1146
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:07,440
um symptoms or you know do you hear

1147
00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:10,440
static on the radio or ringing in your

1148
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:11,960
ears or

1149
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:15,420
nausea or whatever so I was able to give

1150
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:17,940
them some feedback again because none of

1151
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:20,520
them are really UFO people or

1152
00:52:23,890 --> 00:52:23,099
experiencers or

1153
00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:23,900
um

1154
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:25,559
eyewitnesses

1155
00:52:30,670 --> 00:52:27,720
um I I think that that was helpful to

1156
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,680
them and their development of the Tool

1157
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,880
uh and I was only able to do that

1158
00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:35,520
because other folks have shared

1159
00:52:41,690 --> 00:52:39,240
um these encounters with me

1160
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:41,700
um yeah it's uh

1161
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:43,140
you know I

1162
00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:46,160
I have had a

1163
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:49,859
high-ranking scientist who works in

1164
00:52:55,790 --> 00:52:53,940
atmospheric science meteorology uh tell

1165
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:55,800
me that you know when they were a

1166
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,780
postdoc very early in their career that

1167
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:00,480
they encountered something strange and

1168
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:03,839
didn't have any explanation for it and

1169
00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:05,400
there were other eyewitnesses you know

1170
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,020
they were with a group of people and

1171
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:09,119
this thing happened

1172
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:15,829
you know this is why we do science this

1173
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,940
is you know I have a PhD and I'm you

1174
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,440
know at this big level at this big

1175
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:21,599
institution and

1176
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:22,680
um

1177
00:53:28,270 --> 00:53:26,460
I saw a UFO but that's why we continue

1178
00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:28,280
to study and

1179
00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:30,540
collect information and try to make

1180
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:32,099
sense of it because there are things out

1181
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:34,020
there that we don't understand

1182
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,599
and um and then they gave me a lecture

1183
00:53:41,089 --> 00:53:38,720
on lenticular clouds

1184
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:41,099
they always get a bunch of inquiries

1185
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:42,780
anytime there's a lenticular cloud in

1186
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:44,819
the area because people are oh there's a

1187
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:47,760
UFO and they you know this is you know

1188
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:49,800
this is how they're formed this is you

1189
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,420
know why they look that way and it's not

1190
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:53,040
a flying saucer and I said okay so

1191
00:53:58,270 --> 00:53:54,960
you're very quick to dismiss other

1192
00:54:01,809 --> 00:53:58,280
people's UFO sightings as clouds

1193
00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:01,819
but used and they say yeah yeah yeah

1194
00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:04,980
except mom yeah

1195
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,460
yeah I think we can all agree on that

1196
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:09,839
for sure

1197
00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:13,140
um let's see yes sir there are people

1198
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,540
out there um that you know pilots and

1199
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:17,280
others who I would consider to be

1200
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:21,839
credible Witnesses uh who you know have

1201
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:22,440
um

1202
00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:25,920
you know Advanced degrees and uh

1203
00:54:31,849 --> 00:54:28,020
extensive training and

1204
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:31,859
um they have no reason to

1205
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:35,220
um you know pull a prank or otherwise uh

1206
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:40,849
I don't Quest question

1207
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:41,760
um

1208
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:45,660
mental capacity in any way but

1209
00:54:49,069 --> 00:54:47,400
they saw something strange again they

1210
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,079
don't they don't know where to report it

1211
00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:52,319
or how to report it so

1212
00:54:55,010 --> 00:54:53,640
yeah

1213
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,020
that's fair

1214
00:55:00,109 --> 00:54:57,839
um this is one of our probably one of

1215
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,119
our most popular questions uh there's

1216
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:02,640
been a lot of you know debate back and

1217
00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:05,339
forth on the Tic Tac video that Chad

1218
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:07,079
Underwood filmed

1219
00:55:11,950 --> 00:55:08,460
um and a lot of people wanted to know

1220
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:11,960
Alex did you ever see any other video

1221
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,180
except when that was shown to the public

1222
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,520
the video that we've all seen for years

1223
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:20,400
now um did you ever see anything longer

1224
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:22,920
anything more clear

1225
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:24,780
um anything like that is that something

1226
00:55:31,809 --> 00:55:28,260
you can even speak to

1227
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:31,819
so when we came back

1228
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,800
this other aircraft launched so our two

1229
00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:37,200
two ship came back our two aircraft came

1230
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:39,059
back with our four air crew on board and

1231
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,880
another single aircraft launched uh with

1232
00:55:45,049 --> 00:55:43,920
Chad in the back seat and uh and his

1233
00:55:47,630 --> 00:55:45,059
Pilot

1234
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:47,640
they

1235
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:50,700
looked for found and recorded the FLIR

1236
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:55,619
footage that we believe to be the same

1237
00:55:59,870 --> 00:55:58,619
thing uh that the same Tic Tac that we

1238
00:56:01,609 --> 00:55:59,880
encountered

1239
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:01,619
um just one cycle and when I say cycle

1240
00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:03,480
so an aircraft carrier we're launching

1241
00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:06,540
and recovering in cycles that are about

1242
00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:09,300
an hour uh in length but there's a bit

1243
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:10,500
of an overlap

1244
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:14,160
so you know we're in the same

1245
00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:16,260
airspace and we're in the same you know

1246
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,599
relative time as as when the folks on

1247
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,640
the Princeton are seeing the radar hits

1248
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:23,040
uh and when we had the visual encounter

1249
00:56:27,890 --> 00:56:24,480
and then

1250
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:27,900
um Chad and his Pilot pick up and record

1251
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:31,200
on the Fleer so when they came back we

1252
00:56:36,010 --> 00:56:34,140
had been debriefing the Intel folks uh

1253
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:36,020
talking to other people in the Squadron

1254
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,559
and then they plugged in this tape

1255
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:42,960
into we call it a stack so it's this

1256
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:46,559
video uh players tape players and we all

1257
00:56:53,470 --> 00:56:50,040
gathered around and we watched several

1258
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:53,480
times this black and white

1259
00:57:02,930 --> 00:56:58,319
flear footage it was much clearer the

1260
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:02,940
resolution than what you see now if you

1261
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:06,420
just Google Tic Tac video because it was

1262
00:57:10,609 --> 00:57:09,660
the original tape you know it was this

1263
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:10,619
um

1264
00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:13,619
not a copy of a copy of a digital copy

1265
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:15,660
kind of thing

1266
00:57:20,349 --> 00:57:16,500
um

1267
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:20,359
so yes we we watched that and

1268
00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:22,619
we were confident that what we were

1269
00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:25,460
seeing was what we had seen visually

1270
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:29,640
just a short time earlier

1271
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,380
does that answer your question

1272
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:34,079
yeah yeah what was there any other

1273
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:35,640
distinguishing

1274
00:57:41,809 --> 00:57:39,359
actors or or anything else dramatic that

1275
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,819
occurred in the video you saw and again

1276
00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:43,920
I know some of this may be still

1277
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:46,440
classified and whatnot but um anything

1278
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,319
that we have not seen in the public that

1279
00:57:54,589 --> 00:57:51,599
was seen on this video

1280
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:54,599
no I mean it's

1281
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,540
yeah again people are really just

1282
00:58:02,870 --> 00:57:59,760
holding on so tightly and trying to ring

1283
00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:02,880
every last bit of information out of

1284
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:06,300
this oh yeah video clip

1285
00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:08,760
um and

1286
00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:10,920
I don't think that you're gonna find

1287
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:13,800
anything else there I think you need to

1288
00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:16,680
move on and say how do we collect

1289
00:58:21,490 --> 00:58:19,079
more and better data and information

1290
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:21,500
from

1291
00:58:28,609 --> 00:58:24,180
the UAP encounters that are happening

1292
00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:28,619
today and tomorrow and next week

1293
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:31,260
uh you know instead of trying to ring

1294
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,160
out uh more information from something

1295
00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:37,680
that happened almost 20 years ago yeah

1296
00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:41,339
move on I think that's the key here guys

1297
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,520
um well this one is not so much Moving

1298
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:46,559
on but it is a question that I think a

1299
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:49,920
lot of people have as well Alex um the

1300
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,140
sort of roiling waters that were

1301
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,200
described uh by fravor and a possible

1302
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,839
object under the water do you know was

1303
00:59:01,970 --> 00:59:00,240
that ever investigated we don't hear a

1304
00:59:04,430 --> 00:59:01,980
lot about that aspect of this entire

1305
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,440
thing and the testimony behind that do

1306
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:06,960
you was there anything done about that

1307
00:59:15,230 --> 00:59:11,040
aspect to the entire Tic Tac event

1308
00:59:19,609 --> 00:59:17,750
yeah I mean that's that is a good

1309
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:19,619
question I can't pretend something that

1310
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:21,660
we reported uh real time on the radio

1311
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,460
for sure I mean we were all that's

1312
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:25,200
actually how I got a visual on the Tic

1313
00:59:28,910 --> 00:59:26,700
Tac is because somebody said hey look in

1314
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:28,920
the water uh and we saw this turning

1315
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,119
water

1316
00:59:34,609 --> 00:59:32,880
um I thought in the first moment that

1317
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:34,619
whatever we had been vectored to

1318
00:59:39,470 --> 00:59:37,020
intercept had crashed uh in my heart

1319
00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:39,480
sink because I thought

1320
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:42,420
you know we went from go get them to oh

1321
00:59:48,170 --> 00:59:45,420
now we're unseen commanders for a search

1322
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:48,180
and rescue effort and then the Tic Tac

1323
00:59:52,730 --> 00:59:51,359
zoomed across and so I don't know that I

1324
00:59:54,530 --> 00:59:52,740
would have picked up because it was

1325
00:59:55,549 --> 00:59:54,540
moving so quickly and so erratically I

1326
00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:55,559
don't know that I would have picked up

1327
01:00:01,609 --> 00:59:58,260
my visual tally on the Tic Tac if it

1328
01:00:03,410 --> 01:00:01,619
hadn't crossed over that whirling water

1329
01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:03,420
um

1330
01:00:07,309 --> 01:00:05,819
so and then we went to look for that

1331
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:07,319
again because that was sort of our

1332
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:10,319
Anchor Point uh where we had first

1333
01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:12,119
encountered it you know when we lost

1334
01:00:14,990 --> 01:00:14,220
visual we said okay look back in the

1335
01:00:17,390 --> 01:00:15,000
water

1336
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:17,400
everything's calm we can't pick that up

1337
01:00:20,329 --> 01:00:18,839
again

1338
01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:20,339
um so I don't know whether they're

1339
01:00:24,250 --> 01:00:21,900
related I think it would be

1340
01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:24,260
irresponsible to suggest that they are

1341
01:00:28,849 --> 01:00:26,700
but it was a data point it was something

1342
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,859
that we've included in our debrief with

1343
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:29,760
the

1344
01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:35,700
and you know subsequent

1345
01:00:39,289 --> 01:00:37,500
uh

1346
01:00:43,069 --> 01:00:39,299
you know debriefs within the Pentagon

1347
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,079
with folks you know it's certainly

1348
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:45,839
an interesting uh

1349
01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:49,260
detail but um yeah I don't know whether

1350
01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:50,579
there was any

1351
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:53,960
other uh systematic

1352
01:00:58,930 --> 01:00:56,760
follow-through or investigation again I

1353
01:01:02,470 --> 01:00:58,940
was a lieutenant JG at the time

1354
01:01:05,329 --> 01:01:02,480
there's Ensign and Lieutenant JG

1355
01:01:06,589 --> 01:01:05,339
I'm Lieutenant you know so I had had

1356
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:06,599
very little

1357
01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:08,280
um

1358
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:11,160
uh rank or authority or

1359
01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:14,160
anything right it's not hey Alex go

1360
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:16,680
check out that roiling water over there

1361
01:01:20,329 --> 01:01:17,700
please

1362
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:20,339
um yeah you have two decent brother

1363
01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:22,440
you know at the time my situational

1364
01:01:27,710 --> 01:01:25,140
awareness was low and my um you know

1365
01:01:30,109 --> 01:01:27,720
level of responsibility and

1366
01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:30,119
um I had somebody it was actually it was

1367
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:32,940
actually when we were talking the um

1368
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:35,760
on the hill at Congress

1369
01:01:44,270 --> 01:01:40,559
and somebody said well why didn't you go

1370
01:01:47,569 --> 01:01:44,280
to the USS Princeton and follow up with

1371
01:01:49,849 --> 01:01:47,579
the radar operator and I said sir

1372
01:01:51,069 --> 01:01:49,859
I was on I was on an entirely different

1373
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,079
ship

1374
01:01:56,809 --> 01:01:54,000
in the Pacific Ocean you know I'm on a

1375
01:01:59,530 --> 01:01:56,819
different vessel how like how would I

1376
01:02:03,250 --> 01:01:59,540
how would I get to the other ship

1377
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:03,260
uh without you know a lot of um

1378
01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:05,940
Logistics and and I was a lieutenant JG

1379
01:02:11,210 --> 01:02:08,700
it wasn't my place to

1380
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,220
um investigate or follow up or follow

1381
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:13,520
through in that way you know yeah

1382
01:02:17,630 --> 01:02:16,079
debriefed to the Intel folks debrief to

1383
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:17,640
the chain of command and then it was out

1384
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:18,720
of my hands

1385
01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:21,119
yeah and I think a lot of people forget

1386
01:02:24,609 --> 01:02:22,980
too the

1387
01:02:28,130 --> 01:02:24,619
Split Second

1388
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:28,140
reactions that uh Pilots go through

1389
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:30,540
especially when you're observing

1390
01:02:34,730 --> 01:02:31,920
something you've never really seen

1391
01:02:37,010 --> 01:02:34,740
before your first thoughts are not okay

1392
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:37,020
make sure I'm recording this properly

1393
01:02:42,109 --> 01:02:39,420
all right let me start writing down

1394
01:02:43,730 --> 01:02:42,119
every single detail of what I'm like I

1395
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,740
can't even imagine everything that's

1396
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:46,079
going through your mind

1397
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:48,079
um let alone

1398
01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:51,839
pushing a UFO into that picture and

1399
01:02:58,250 --> 01:02:53,880
dealing with that during an exercise

1400
01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:58,260
it's it it's amazing yeah and it's

1401
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,540
I've spoken to this before that this was

1402
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,400
happening during an administrative phase

1403
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:04,319
of flight so we just launched we've just

1404
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:05,520
taken off we were just doing our

1405
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:08,160
Rendezvous and our initial you know fuel

1406
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:10,020
checks and

1407
01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:11,940
um you know getting our everything sort

1408
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:13,020
of set

1409
01:03:19,549 --> 01:03:16,079
to head to the cap point to then begin

1410
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,559
our military exercise you know so to go

1411
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,839
into tactical mode

1412
01:03:26,809 --> 01:03:24,000
that's when we would turn on our tapes

1413
01:03:29,089 --> 01:03:26,819
that's when we would you know get ready

1414
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,099
to to do all those things and so the

1415
01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:30,960
fact that we were interrupted in our

1416
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,900
normal flow uh and we were in this

1417
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,000
administrative um you know sort of

1418
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,920
takeoff mode

1419
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:39,839
um we weren't thinking about

1420
01:03:43,609 --> 01:03:42,000
recording and

1421
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,619
um it was it was not part of our normal

1422
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:46,079
checklist and so we really um that

1423
01:03:49,010 --> 01:03:48,180
that's another thing that I'm

1424
01:03:50,569 --> 01:03:49,020
um

1425
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:50,579
you know when I talk about this and

1426
01:03:55,609 --> 01:03:52,740
advocate for having a Clear Channel to

1427
01:03:57,770 --> 01:03:55,619
report and a template to follow is to

1428
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,780
say hey uh

1429
01:04:01,789 --> 01:03:59,760
and this would be for the app the radar

1430
01:04:05,530 --> 01:04:01,799
operators on the Princeton if you're

1431
01:04:09,770 --> 01:04:05,540
seeing weird hits for days if not weeks

1432
01:04:12,829 --> 01:04:09,780
before you Vector Pilots to get a visual

1433
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,839
give them a heads up tell them what were

1434
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:14,880
what because I mean I don't know that

1435
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:16,680
they expected us to see anything I think

1436
01:04:19,609 --> 01:04:18,119
they really thought that it was just

1437
01:04:22,609 --> 01:04:19,619
weird

1438
01:04:25,250 --> 01:04:22,619
stray trons in their system

1439
01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:25,260
um I think they were as surprised as we

1440
01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:26,520
were when we said ah there's something

1441
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,380
here

1442
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,240
um but you know it really would have

1443
01:04:33,950 --> 01:04:31,920
been um

1444
01:04:36,109 --> 01:04:33,960
not just the professional thing to do

1445
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,119
but the more productive thing to do

1446
01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:38,160
would be to pre-brief us and say hey

1447
01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:40,140
we're seeing weird hits they don't make

1448
01:04:43,549 --> 01:04:41,940
sense but we're going to send you out to

1449
01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:43,559
get a visual

1450
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,940
um and see

1451
01:04:49,490 --> 01:04:47,280
see if there's something there there

1452
01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:49,500
in that case we would have you know

1453
01:04:53,210 --> 01:04:51,660
had our binoculars prepped we we have

1454
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:53,220
binoculars you know we would have had

1455
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,720
our

1456
01:04:57,710 --> 01:04:56,400
um I think I don't know if GoPros were a

1457
01:05:00,289 --> 01:04:57,720
thing at that point but people had

1458
01:05:01,250 --> 01:05:00,299
personal sort of cameras and gear that

1459
01:05:04,930 --> 01:05:01,260
we could have

1460
01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:04,940
strapped onto our helmets and used our

1461
01:05:09,289 --> 01:05:07,079
recording system in the chat but you

1462
01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:09,299
know we would have taken a much more

1463
01:05:13,849 --> 01:05:11,400
uh

1464
01:05:17,089 --> 01:05:13,859
Collective you know we're in a

1465
01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:17,099
collection posture then we're going out

1466
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:19,020
to do this military

1467
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,720
training exercise with these very big

1468
01:05:26,329 --> 01:05:24,000
tactical objectives that we were

1469
01:05:30,049 --> 01:05:26,339
sort of calibrated to

1470
01:05:31,789 --> 01:05:30,059
all right yeah interesting um last two

1471
01:05:33,950 --> 01:05:31,799
questions on the Tic Tac I promise and

1472
01:05:38,030 --> 01:05:33,960
then we will wrap things up Alex

1473
01:05:40,730 --> 01:05:38,040
um let's see here uh the German dude on

1474
01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:40,740
uh Twitter asks uh on a more personal

1475
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,460
level has this experience changed you at

1476
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,559
all religiously spiritually your your

1477
01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:48,480
thoughts your beliefs

1478
01:05:55,030 --> 01:05:50,700
um and then kind of on the flip side of

1479
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,040
that did you experience any sort of like

1480
01:06:01,250 --> 01:05:57,680
physiological or or

1481
01:06:03,170 --> 01:06:01,260
emotional uh effects during this event I

1482
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:03,180
I guess that's a two-pronged question

1483
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:04,319
there

1484
01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:05,400
yeah

1485
01:06:12,109 --> 01:06:07,500
um no I didn't I didn't have a come to

1486
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:12,119
Jesus moment or uh you know I I

1487
01:06:15,770 --> 01:06:13,200
um

1488
01:06:18,289 --> 01:06:15,780
no it didn't change me or my faith or

1489
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:18,299
thought my beliefs at all

1490
01:06:23,809 --> 01:06:21,540
uh I

1491
01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:23,819
certainly was excited

1492
01:06:31,849 --> 01:06:27,720
I had a roller coaster of motions uh in

1493
01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:31,859
in the few minutes of the uh event you

1494
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,440
know from getting vectored to go

1495
01:06:38,569 --> 01:06:36,960
intercept an unknown thing we thought

1496
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:38,579
maybe it was drug Runners coming up the

1497
01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:41,280
coast from Mexico

1498
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:42,660
um you know and that sort of had an

1499
01:06:45,309 --> 01:06:44,460
exciting now we're gonna go get the bad

1500
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:45,319
guys

1501
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:48,480
and then again my heart sinking when I

1502
01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:51,420
thought that they had crashed and then

1503
01:06:55,630 --> 01:06:54,180
you know the Tic Tac entering stage left

1504
01:06:58,849 --> 01:06:55,640
and

1505
01:07:01,849 --> 01:06:58,859
uh wow what is that you know so shock

1506
01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:01,859
and awe and confusion and you know so I

1507
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:04,260
sort of hit all of the emotional

1508
01:07:07,089 --> 01:07:05,520
um

1509
01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:07,099
Keys

1510
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:10,020
very quickly but

1511
01:07:17,329 --> 01:07:13,200
it wasn't traumatic again I don't have

1512
01:07:19,490 --> 01:07:17,339
nightmares or relive the experience

1513
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:19,500
you know there were there everything was

1514
01:07:22,609 --> 01:07:20,400
sort of

1515
01:07:25,450 --> 01:07:22,619
buzzing for a day or two on the ship

1516
01:07:29,450 --> 01:07:25,460
afterwards but then again we

1517
01:07:34,190 --> 01:07:29,460
refocused and got ready to go deploy to

1518
01:07:36,890 --> 01:07:34,200
you know real world uh tangible known

1519
01:07:39,529 --> 01:07:36,900
um engagements that we had in the Middle

1520
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:39,539
East so

1521
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:40,200
um

1522
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,260
yeah it was really again a blip on my

1523
01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:45,599
radar

1524
01:07:49,309 --> 01:07:47,160
all right

1525
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,319
um Chris Chris over at the debrief

1526
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:51,599
actually how appropriate Christopher

1527
01:08:00,589 --> 01:07:54,720
plane wants to know is flying upside

1528
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:03,829
awesome that's that I couldn't ask for a

1529
01:08:08,029 --> 01:08:06,240
better answer than that no need for

1530
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,039
elaboration on that Chris I hope that

1531
01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:10,799
answered your burning question buddy

1532
01:08:15,410 --> 01:08:13,140
um you don't have to be a strict fighter

1533
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:15,420
pilot you know to fly or to fly upside

1534
01:08:21,650 --> 01:08:18,299
down there are so many opportunities to

1535
01:08:23,930 --> 01:08:21,660
get out there and fly I would encourage

1536
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,940
folks you know just get a few hours you

1537
01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:25,679
don't have to even get your full private

1538
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:28,380
pilot's license but go out to your local

1539
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:29,940
Airfield there's a lot of Municipal

1540
01:08:36,530 --> 01:08:33,359
airports and a lot of flying clubs there

1541
01:08:39,050 --> 01:08:36,540
are a lot of clubs for Youth and you

1542
01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:39,060
know Young Eagles and

1543
01:08:43,309 --> 01:08:41,339
Civil Air Patrol they could use their

1544
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,319
support even if it was just going out

1545
01:08:47,870 --> 01:08:45,359
and hanging out of the hangers and doing

1546
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,880
a movie night or something like that we

1547
01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:50,400
did Girl Scouts at the Smithsonian Air

1548
01:08:54,289 --> 01:08:52,440
and Space Museum which was really fun

1549
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:54,299
wore flight suit talked to the girls all

1550
01:09:00,169 --> 01:08:56,520
day about flying and they gave us a case

1551
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,179
of Girl Scout cookies on the way home

1552
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:02,880
yeah anybody who's interested or curious

1553
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,540
or wants to feel that Joy of uh of

1554
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,400
getting Airborne I would encourage you

1555
01:09:13,070 --> 01:09:09,839
to do it

1556
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:13,080
that's awesome I I have had quite a few

1557
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:15,960
individuals reach out to me and say that

1558
01:09:21,769 --> 01:09:18,359
um you know their young daughters were

1559
01:09:24,169 --> 01:09:21,779
inspired by by hearing your story not

1560
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:24,179
not just about the Tic Tac but just you

1561
01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:26,880
know the accomplishments you've had and

1562
01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:29,100
um that was super cool to hear you know

1563
01:09:33,650 --> 01:09:31,500
besides the whole UFO aspect of all this

1564
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,660
so it's clear you're a true inspiration

1565
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:36,239
to a lot of people out there as well

1566
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:38,460
um yeah it's pretty cool

1567
01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:40,620
um last question for you

1568
01:09:44,689 --> 01:09:41,640
um

1569
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:44,699
what do you want to say what are any

1570
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:46,980
final words to the UFO Community out

1571
01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:49,679
there moving forward I mean we're on the

1572
01:09:55,550 --> 01:09:52,739
precipice of something that we've never

1573
01:09:57,470 --> 01:09:55,560
really seen in the United States and the

1574
01:09:59,870 --> 01:09:57,480
world in general when it comes to this

1575
01:10:02,450 --> 01:09:59,880
topic it's more in the Forefront than

1576
01:10:03,890 --> 01:10:02,460
it's ever been before it's being taken

1577
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,900
more seriously

1578
01:10:06,650 --> 01:10:05,280
um what are kind of I guess your last

1579
01:10:10,729 --> 01:10:06,660
words you want to leave our audience

1580
01:10:18,010 --> 01:10:10,739
with oops I lost your video no

1581
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:21,050
uh thanks for your patience with me and

1582
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:23,880
and that is actually my

1583
01:10:29,689 --> 01:10:25,860
um my advice that I was having a few

1584
01:10:33,709 --> 01:10:29,699
conversations recently in the the DMS uh

1585
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:33,719
of of Twitter UFO Twitter uh which are

1586
01:10:37,370 --> 01:10:35,820
that you have to be patient

1587
01:10:39,950 --> 01:10:37,380
you have to be patient with each other

1588
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:39,960
we have to be patient with this process

1589
01:10:44,530 --> 01:10:43,440
we have to be patient with you know the

1590
01:10:48,050 --> 01:10:44,540
government

1591
01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:48,060
there's all of this uh disclosure now

1592
01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:49,380
and

1593
01:11:03,169 --> 01:10:55,800
that

1594
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:03,179
side uh having still connections and

1595
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:04,860
folks who are working this issue in the

1596
01:11:08,209 --> 01:11:06,300
Pentagon and

1597
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:08,219
um going to the NASA panel in the fall

1598
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,360
and

1599
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:11,280
uh you know they're

1600
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:13,860
these are these are just people these

1601
01:11:18,110 --> 01:11:15,900
are just good honest

1602
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:18,120
government servants you know they're not

1603
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:19,199
doing this for the money they're

1604
01:11:23,930 --> 01:11:21,480
certainly not getting paid enough to

1605
01:11:26,209 --> 01:11:23,940
deal with all of the grief that they're

1606
01:11:28,570 --> 01:11:26,219
putting up with and

1607
01:11:31,490 --> 01:11:28,580
um they're they're trying to work within

1608
01:11:34,330 --> 01:11:31,500
uh the the law you know there's

1609
01:11:36,830 --> 01:11:34,340
certainly a lot of Regulation uh about

1610
01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:36,840
what can be disclosed and how it can be

1611
01:11:39,229 --> 01:11:38,100
disclosed

1612
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:39,239
um and then they're trying to work

1613
01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:41,520
within their resources so whether it's

1614
01:11:47,630 --> 01:11:45,780
Manpower uh funding for the the tools

1615
01:11:50,090 --> 01:11:47,640
and Technology

1616
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:50,100
um you know there's a lot of impatience

1617
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:51,120
and

1618
01:11:58,010 --> 01:11:55,440
disservice because in all of these

1619
01:12:01,070 --> 01:11:58,020
movies and TV shows you know the

1620
01:12:03,709 --> 01:12:01,080
government sort of has this unlimited uh

1621
01:12:05,630 --> 01:12:03,719
resource and and all of these folks the

1622
01:12:08,090 --> 01:12:05,640
Men in Black you know behind the scenes

1623
01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:08,100
working on this issue I can tell you

1624
01:12:13,490 --> 01:12:10,980
that it's just a couple of people

1625
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,500
working at these very

1626
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:15,679
austere offices

1627
01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:19,500
uh you know at these like out of date

1628
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:23,340
desks with computer repair uh glitching

1629
01:12:28,490 --> 01:12:25,260
you know and they're trying they're

1630
01:12:32,209 --> 01:12:28,500
trying uh to

1631
01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:32,219
to work and there is no conspiracy there

1632
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:34,380
is no you know

1633
01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:36,300
um sort of

1634
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:38,760
cabal that's happening behind the scenes

1635
01:12:43,790 --> 01:12:41,520
it's it's good honest hard-working folks

1636
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:43,800
that are trying to

1637
01:12:50,090 --> 01:12:46,080
um trying to do what's right so I would

1638
01:12:52,189 --> 01:12:50,100
say be patient uh be patient with each

1639
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:52,199
other in this space be patient with the

1640
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:53,520
debunkers you know I think they're

1641
01:12:59,649 --> 01:12:56,640
asking good questions and and if we

1642
01:13:02,990 --> 01:12:59,659
engage in civil dialogue we can all

1643
01:13:05,470 --> 01:13:03,000
hopefully come up with the answers that

1644
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:05,480
everybody's looking for

1645
01:13:11,209 --> 01:13:08,400
absolutely and you know I don't want to

1646
01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:11,219
give away the ending to your article but

1647
01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:14,340
it really spoke to me you said

1648
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:17,940
um we've barely tasted the sky and that

1649
01:13:25,010 --> 01:13:21,600
really stuck with me and I I think it's

1650
01:13:27,410 --> 01:13:25,020
so true we know so little about what's

1651
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:27,420
up there and the possibilities are

1652
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:29,820
endless what's that you know what it's a

1653
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:31,920
reference to The DaVinci I don't know

1654
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:34,320
look it up DaVinci

1655
01:13:40,130 --> 01:13:37,560
oh my gosh that's amazing yeah

1656
01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:40,140
okay awesome I gotta I gotta get back

1657
01:13:44,209 --> 01:13:42,420
into my art history then but I've loved

1658
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that I thought it was a perfect way to

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01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:45,540
kind of um

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01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:48,960
to kind of wrap up all of this you know

1661
01:13:52,610 --> 01:13:51,120
there's so much to look forward to and

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01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:52,620
look up to

1663
01:13:56,410 --> 01:13:54,840
um instead of looking back and and

1664
01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:56,420
trying to answer these questions

1665
01:14:03,530 --> 01:14:00,540
arrogant to you know assume that we have

1666
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:03,540
all the answers that we understand

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01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:06,780
just as you know Da Vinci and his

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01:14:12,110 --> 01:14:09,900
colleagues uh you know at the time my

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final thought there is is that it would

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01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:14,580
be really arrogant to assume that we

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have all the answers or that we've

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figured everything out and so you know

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01:14:25,010 --> 01:14:22,800
be patient and be humble we need to ask

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01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:25,020
keep being curious and asking the right

1675
01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:29,360
questions but also uh open-minded and

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01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:32,820
listen as much as we as much as we talk

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which

1678
01:14:42,169 --> 01:14:40,010
good boy good point no I think if we all

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01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:42,179
listened a little bit more we get much

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01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,940
further with this contradiction so Alex

1681
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,920
I have to thank you we had a million

1682
01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:48,239
other listener questions but we'll have

1683
01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:50,820
to have you back sometime but um no

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thank you for being so um so open with

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01:14:57,410 --> 01:14:55,199
us tonight thank you for your service

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and uh thank you for coming on somewhere